Posted by iTZKooPA on Monday, October 5th, 2009 - 102 Comments
Tags: arthas, arthas death, arthas die, arthas menethil, how will arthas die, jaina, jaina proudmoore, lich king, patch 3.3, scourge, the lich king
Death By Tar & Feathering?
Patch 3.3 is so close that I can almost connect to the PTR long enough to play it. We’ve been waiting for this content patch ever since it we revealed that Arthas would be joining the game dedicated to him a little late - by C’Thun the star could never arrive on time. Now that we have the PTR housing patch 3.3, the first round of ever-changing patch notes, maps of the dungeons and lots more, one burning question remains. How will Arthas die?
Let’s start with the more appropriate question. Will Arthas die?
It has almost become cliche that World of Warcraft’s bosses manage to slip through death’s grasp at the last second. A large number of the best known bosses have merely been de-summoned, released from someone’s control or regained their sanity (put down at his request). In the case of the Old Gods, we mortals have been fighting parts of them, leading some to believe that we’ve only faced a portion of their vast power. Is it possible that Blizzard could allow one of Warcraft’s most infamous villains to avoid the grave?!
Hell no. The disservice done to fans by allowing Arthas/The Lich King to live would be unfathomable. He’s going down.
Of course, then we return to the original discussion, how do you want Arthas to die? Blizzard could go one of a hundred ways for Arthas’ demise, so I can only tell you how I’d like to see him die. That would be by Jaina’s hand. If there’s anyone who needs redemption for all Arthas has done (that’s still alive) it is Jaina, his former lover.
Rather than another Maiev + raiders vs. Illidan team-up, I’d like to see Arthas go all Hulk on us, freezing our toons when we get him to zero HP. As he’s toying with us, attempting to crack our minds, Jaina pops out of no where to confront him. Being the former suave Prince The Lich King tries to sweet talk his former mate, only to be struck down mid sentence by an icy bolt, and then finished off with a melee move from her staff. Double tap, it’s important. Her icy demeanor would vanish as he falls to the ground, and then she’d weep over his fallen corpse (as we looted it) as she curses the gods for putting her in such a position.
The odds of my vision coming to fruition are slim to none, but it doesn’t hurt to dream. It wasn’t until I finished reading Christie Golden’s book that I came to believe Jaine is the only person to send the Prince of Lordaeron six feet under. How do you want the former paladin to go down? What about you hordies? You likely have a different view on this whole Scourge debacle since one of the leaders of your nation-states didn’t date the backstabbing necromantic. Although I hear Thrall has the hots for Jaina. Just a rumor someone’s spreading. And there is that Slyvanas lady. Perhaps she’ll get her revenge in the horde script?
Related Posts: Catching Up with Arthas Over the Holidays, Is Arthas Capable of Redemption?, Patch 3.3: The Lich King Is Out, Now What?, E3 and Me, Proverb: Falric and Marwyn,
By Xianghua on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I would like to see Sylvanas get her final revenge against Arthas. Similar to what you posted koopa, except instead of jaina, it’s sylvanas, and she pops out of nowhere to turn him into a pincushion.
Lame, I know, but best I can come up with.
By Xianghua on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
HA! take that firsters!
By Decado on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Alliance will get Jaina to fight along side them.
Horde will get the Banshee Queen.
Although I don’t think Arthas will die. He’s too big a character.
By Mertra on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
It would be cool to see jaina finish him off
By Rickroll on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
First, I hope they make it faction specific. Think about it, if they could somehow tie this in to Garosh becoming Warchief. Who better to lead than the one that dealt Arthas the final blow?
On the Alliance side maybe the Jaina route (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned), or may Varian pops in to get his parting shots in to gain support for his future campaigns.
By Cobalthero on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I dont think they will let us kill him i got a feeling that “special fate” they have for frostmourne will end up “setting arthas free” or something to that effect but i wouldnt mind seeing our resident banshee queen stuff his face full of arrows
By Zigs on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
What I would LOVE to see is Jaina to take/shot off the Lich King’s helm getting Arthas back, he drops the sword and be comes a knight of the ebon blade. A death knight puts on the helm and picks up Frostmoure while everyone’s distracted and ANOTHER lich king is born. Arthas can come back and take the thrown from the Human Garrosh that’s running the alliance with Jaina at his side. Then give Wyrnn Theramore or something. Buuut seeing as Tirion destroyed Arthas’ heart meaning there’s NO WAY. (sad face) But hey can’t wait to see what happens and hopes it’s gonna be EPIC!!
By Carlos aka Kershocker on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I think the one who will die is not Arthas, but the Lich King. Somehow Arthas will be saved by someone or something and we shall see him in some other time.
But yeah, Koopa’s idea is cool. If someone “deserves” to kill Arthas, that would be Jaina.
By Trial on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
like the fight with illidan that has the other guy helping,i would like too see the leader of your chars faction coming and helping aswell!
or for example,for the horde i would like to see thrall or saurfang comming and pwning him with the last help of the horde raid.
for the alliance king Varian or The Ashbringer doing the same.
a doggy style with jaina would be cool too
By Octaviax on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I think it would be more appropriate for the following to happen:
1) Tirion kills “Arthas”, but dies himself in doing so.
2) Darion WTFPWNS “Arthas”, and then gives a LONG speech
3) Alexandros Mograine makes the final blow, killing “Arthas”
By Thrall'sLeave on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I’d prefer not to kill him actually. I would like to in the battle have any humanity left in him realize he is about to die and fight himself. I’d like to see Ner’zhul’s spirit come out and be destroyed. We loot the sweet armor and gear, Jaina gets kids. Yay more lore! Just me though….
By fuzzy1023 on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
in my opinion i think it should not be faction spesific. i think all the big leaders should come in and roflpwn arthas or the lich king and maybe save arthas. we know both sides will be there because of the big gunship fight
By Azurienatei on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Honestly, I think that it depends on faction, to go along with the 5man dungeons.
Horde Raid: As the players make Arthas hit zero, he’ll either freeze them or fear them so that they can’t move. BUT Sylvannis, Darion Morgrain, and Tirion appear, with Sylvannis making a remark of ‘Vengeance is mine at last, you wretch!’ Then fire her arrows and kill him. Tirion will lament on how far the prince had fallen, and Hordies happily loot him.
Alliance Raid: Same scenario except its Jaina in place of Sylvannis, and possibly Varian as well. Jaina will blast him with a firebolt, while Tirion delivers the last blow with the Ashbringer. Jaina will weep, Tirion laments, and Alliance forces get to grab all the loot they want ^.^
By Thrall'sLeave on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
In other words I agree with what Carlos aka Kershock thinks. But I want this to all have a begining (All thats in The Rise of The Lich King book) middle and end(all that has happened as the Lich King including our epic battle tearing down every bit of that loreful horror-filled building and attacking and murdering THE LICH KING ((not arthas)) and an epilouge (what happens to the Arthas we like AKA Mathias Lehner kinda and Jaina and everything else including a possible return to the humans and an outcome we have yet to see). I want story blizz, you hear that a good STORY.
To Blizz,
I do like how much effort you have put into creating this game into a world.
By Tristan on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I want somehow for us to defeat but not kill him. Have horde drag him in chains to undercity and have a cutsequence where Sylvanas has her final justice. Do something similar for Varian Wrynn in Stormwind for Alliance. Big cutscene all the NPCs involved. I think that might be a proper storyline ending to finish off the lich king.
By Azurienatei on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
As an added note, I think as he dies, ‘Arthas’ will separate from what was ‘The Lich King’ and while the Lich King dies, Arthas’ human soul will be purified and rejoin the Light, being guided there by his father’s and Uther’s spirits.
By Octaviax on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Maybe…if Arthas is redeemed (doubtful) and Tirion DOES die in battle (Likely), maybe….
*GASP*
Arthas is the ASHBRINGER!!
By Raethos on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Not really his death, but a cool mechanic for his fight would be tonnes of adds on your side, with random names and appearances, and gear and spells based on the 10 classes. Just pretend for one fight that 10-25 heroes isn’t enough, that this is the one final effort of life on azeroth, even for players.
By Mr.Vincent on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Personally!!!!!
1. I have heard stories that Arthas consumed Ner’zhul and that Arthas is the only being as The Lich King (which pisses me off to the max!!!), so I would like to see Ner’Zhul resurface using his vast power at the end of the fight and tear Arthas apart (within of course). Then Kil’jaeden appears (hell maybe even Sargeras!!!) and blows ‘em both to hell!
2. Fight pauses at 1% and Arthas goes all beastial wrath on us. Arrow through the throat, Sylvanas walks out, tapping of the keg.
3. Saurfang cleaves Icecrown.
By DeeJayDieSeL on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
He has to go down with something BIG. I think in the fight there will be many “helpers of each faction” and one of them will kiss the floor, when their face smacks it.
By Drenton on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I’d like to see Jaina pop up right before Arthas does that sweet Apocalypse attack we saw during the Death Knight ending quest line, and say something cliche like “Apocalyp-What?!” and Jaina does some sweet sexy mage attack, and then afterward she could finally give Arthas her last good byes.
For Sylvanas, I’d like to see sort of the same thing, but an arrow from above or another cliche line right before Arthas does a final move on our useless, frozen bodies. Maybe Arthas takes off his helm and holds it to his side, then she shoots him in the head or something well written XD.
If my ideas sound anything like anyone’s above me, sorry! I didn’t read any of them and this is just from the top of my head.
Nice post Koopa! This is really ganna make my mind wonder while I’m bored.
By idle on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
you should get somone from argent crusade there, your faction leader, somone from forsakens and even the aspects… pretty much evryone wants to kick his ass these days xD
By Taskun on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I’m sensing while the horde and alliance will have diffrent scrips for the 5-mans leading to the raid, the raid “sequence” will be the same. Involving perhaps both Sylvanas and Jaina.
By Dreadtusk on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
He seriously needs to die. He was irredeemable even before he even touched the Frostmourne.
By Shuoven on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I can’t help but think that as the players get him down to zero, that Jaina will somehow appear and cause Arthas and the Lich King to seperate and the Lich King will then be killed. And then while everybody is celebrating, Sylvannas will appear from out of nowhere and kill Arthas in cold blood.
By Unfallen on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
If Jaina is powerful enough to one shot the lich king then why were we even sent to Northrebd. Just send her up there and let her arcane explosion the whole place. End of story.
Personally I think there will be a lot more than just jaina. Floods of people charging towards the lich king taking him down. I personally think he’ll die. Will blizzard do it? Probably not. Arthas is too big of a character just to have put on farm by the top guilds
By mirlotus on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
killed by Illidan
By Zherron on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I would really like to see Tirion confront Arthas and get defeated and have a reverse of the battle at Lights Hope with Darion gaining the Ashbringer and dealing the death blow.
By Puestarion on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I think that it would start out with Alliance/Horde players joining forces with the argent crusade led by Tirion and beginning to assault the frozen throne. Then at about 50% he would stun us and knock us all down to like 1% health and laugh heartily or something. Since I am a huge Ashbringer fan and kind of lore-nut I would really like it if after he takes this “pause” Jaina and Sylvanas join the fight, like many others suggested. Then, finally, Tirion is struck down as Asthas reaches 20%, but, with his dying breath plunges the ashbringer deep into Arthas’s chest. Doing this not only wounds the lich king severely, but releases a surge of holy energy, along with memories of his companions before betraying them (Uther, Mauradin, Jaina, kind of like before he puts on the armour in TFT), which couses Arthas to throw down frostmourne and revoke Ner’zhul’s curse upon his soul, ending the battle. Instead of living after this fatal wound, he drops to his knees with a cry of “free at last” or something along those lines and somewhat redeems himself by destroying both frostmourne and the helm, which contain the spirit of the lich king. Unfortunately we don’t get frostmourne, but hey, Ashbringer’s up for grabs, which would be a good enough weapon without corrupting your soul.
By Tycherin on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Another name people should consider:
Muradin Bronzebeard.
In retrospect, Arthas made a metric ton of enemies.
By Naberian on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I am a big fan of Arthas, not going to lie. I think he is a badass/huge jerk. lol
I personally think it would be cool if both Jaina and Sylvannas show up at the same time, regardless if you are playing horde or alliance.
If jaina is the one who kills arthas, it would be cool if jaina is filled with so much guilt that a darkness takes over her and she becomes a huge role as a bad guy.
thats just an idea. lol
By Eventime on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
On another note, somebody has seen zombieland
double tap all the way
By HerofTime on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I think Arthas should accidentally kill himself. What if, as we reduce his health to 1%, he screams in a fury, and tries to kill us all with an unholy shock wave. However, he accidentally dislodges part of the citadel roof and he falls from the top of the tower. He lands on Frostmourne. Then Jaina comes and sets the sword and Lich King on fire with a magic inferno.
By Antonidas player on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Arthas wont die…….. he is to big of a char like side up top…..he will be like the Mal genis or whtever in CoS he will piece out at 1%
By Jing* on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Wouldn’t it be insanely funny if he just dies at 0 HP and nothing happens?
By Thrall'sLeave on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Like stated above (By me
) Arthas shouldn’t die he went mad because of the lich king not before, Illidan is dead. sorry mirlotus. I’m thinking we see (same for each side) Horde Expidion+leaders Valliance Expidion+jaina and leaders All argent crusade, maybe some aspect and cenarion circle and expidion action, Muradin Bronzebeard (cant forget arthas’ tutor) Bran Bronzebeard (with some discovery or teasure) Knights of the Ebon Blade. and your 10-25-40? man raid charging at Arthas tearing his home down getting arthas to 1hp and then getting some righteous speach from Jaina, Muradin, and King Menethill (cant forget post about finding a model of his ghost in ptr), and tirion doing his long boring speach w/ a light thing and somehow we see the ghost of Mr. Bigglesworth (also found) just because. And with that we see Mathias Lehner walk up maybe say something and we get Arthas back. Yay! However there is a problem. Ner’zhul can’t be killed, according to lore he is IN the armor. How are we going to dispose of the armor or get loot, let alone kill this demonic spirit?
By Dan on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Sylvanas will turn him into an undead slave to her…..oh how the tides have turned Arthas……justice is….served?
By canadian bacon on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
It should be tirion his entire character in wow has been to destroy the lich king it sorta be a slap in the face to him to not get the finishing blow
By Lion1314 on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I think ALL Leaders should come to gather (no night elfs >.>) Thrall dies so what’s his name can take over, Jaina will ask LK to drop his weapon and turn over so rejoin her this is were Ms Wind Runner comes in to put it to an end (she is stealth) Jaina begs, Frostmourn whispers “Her soul is yours for the taking DO IT NOW!” Lk raises his his blade high, Sticks it into the ground to call his undead. Slyvanas stabs him with a ambush. He laughs and throws her into the air. As she lands her Banshees come they sing to give us a buff (Idk like Power Of The Forsaken or something) Then we………. CONGFU FIGHT!!! when he drops to his knees Jaina asks him 1 more time “Please stop this all will be forgiven” Slyvanas says ” Like hell it will” blah speech speech her life and all King of SW ready to finish it with 1 more blow “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” poof death wing sends a fire ball Jaina Ports every 1 at the last minute “BOOOOOOOOOOOM” IC is burned and destroyed…
Is LK dead???
tea time!!! they all leaved happily ever after. Well untill death wing finishes the rest : \ Dun Dun Dun!!!
By Zreena on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I really, really, really, really, love Jaina, she’s one amazing character, my favorite in lore actually. But as a hardcore hordie, I’d rather see Sylvanas finish him off.
By Diego Camargo on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
UOU, lot of nice ideas
But I’ll let Blizz decide (like if we could change it’s decision) xD
By Death's Hand on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Yeah I like your idea. Like the idea of everyone freezing then boom gets owned by his ex. If that happens, I’ll start raiding again, haha.
By l33tadin on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
i would prefer a cut scene once we get him down to 1% with a final EPIC battle between him and Tirion Fording wielding the ashbringer……would be AWSOME……thn u loot afterwards
By Staffan on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
I don’t get why people say they’d like to see the “good” Arthas separated out from the Lich King. Arthas was not good to begin with. He was the one performing the culling of Stratholme, He went against the chain of command, deposing Uther Lightbringer and dissolving the Silver Hand. He betrayed his own soldiers and defied the orders of his father and king by destroying their means of returning home from Northrend. And he took up Frostmourne of his own free will, being willing to “give anything or pay any price.”
No, Arthas is not some innocent victim that deserves redemption. He turned to evil long before he even heard of Frostmourne.
By Alayea on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
@Staffan
Well said. I personally want to see the Lich King dead because while there is a time/place for coming back, it gets tiresome if overused. I want to see some acutal death this time, thank you very much.
By Conchuir on Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
we will not get to kill Arthas. not for a while i think. the very first line of the official Blizzard trailer for Cataclysm is “As the terrible war against the Lich King continues…” Blizz has a youtube channel now. look it up. i can only gather from that that Deathwing makes his appearance while we are not yet finished with Arthas. this makes sense, since the new lvl cap is only 85, that we won’t be able to finish off Arthas til lvl 90
By Phanttas on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 1:41 am
I would be happy for Jaina/Sylvanas/Tirion/whoever to join the fight in a final phase, but I wouldn’t want to miss the chance on having the killing blow, they could just create an interesting extra phase, maybe if the are both there you must hide from attacks during jaina’s arcane shield and do 200% dps when Sylvanas fires a piercing arrow. (Ok, I’m no game designer, but you get the idea)
I don’t like the idea of it being faction specific for such a huge fight, I would feel like I was missing out on so much.
I would really like to see a cinematic like wrath gate, but I worry after the first few times it would just get annoying. Those first few times it would be epic though.
Anyway, I leave it up to Blizzard, they may buff or nerf incorrectly at sometimes, or make other strange changes to the game. It is their game however, and I trust them, and most of all if they know something, it is how to tell an epic story!
@Jing* LOL
By Tzybenya on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 3:18 am
@Concuir
the trailer says that to give a sense of continuity to the story. As we fight against the Lich King, we are weakened and Deathwing strikes, the world is vulnerable.
Anyway, I would like a alliance+horde raid to finish off LK. Or a phase thing, like Alliance get him to 75%, then LK stuns everybody, horde come in, get him to 50% (while alliace is stunned), get frozen. The Jaina and Sylvanas and other peeps come in, unfreez us and fight togheter.
LK pissed all of us, not just alliance or horde.
By Necro on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 3:43 am
He well deserves to die, but I doubt it will be something like Jaina or Sylvanas killing him, it should be something of epic proportions, not an Icebolt or an arrow through the neck.
I have faith in Blizzard and that they will make his death (if he dies) something remarkable.
Also, isn’t the map/place where the fight will be going on at the top of the citadel, and the ground will be coming off and falling apart? I’d like to see him fall down from the Citadel, it is a looooong fall xD But thats not whats gonna happen.
By Tzybenya on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 3:44 am
@Conchuir sorry, my bad
By Joenips on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 4:16 am
As Arthas dies he should fall to his knees and screem out “The ice stone has melted” then fall down and die
By Talve on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 4:52 am
Slyvanas would be the best choise for killing Arthas. And anyways…in the “In-Game Cinematic: The Wrath Gate” there were undead sent by Slyvanas, if im not wrong. So her killing Arthas and getting her revenge would be logical.
By amidaman on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 5:03 am
if ppl had bothered to read rise of the lich king, they wouldve know that arthas already killed off his humanity and nerzhuls spirit, there will be NO redemption for arthas, the mofo is going down
and you know its going to be tirion and darion mograine that will strike the final blow
By Sumfari on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 5:13 am
I would go for all his enemys: jaina, sylvannas, mograine, Darion etc stand agenst him togethere before they win and sylvannas force both of there spirits out and to be captured without powers as to be tormented by Sylvannas.
By Ultimatealex on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 5:45 am
I believe that along the 40 man raid, there should be an Army made by King Wyrnn, Jaina, Thrall, Garosh, Argent Crusade big Bo$$, and the Ghost of Uther. It would be nice for Arthas to die tragically and a new player to be the next Lich King. Anyway, Arthas has to lose Frostmourne one way or another
P.S If i missed any faction bosses it’s because i think they are not important
By Ultimatealex on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Sorry for the double post, but i forgot a major BOSS called : Juggynaut :-S this guy can solo Lich King :O
By malcovious on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:02 am
I wantto do like they did with onyxia every time u kill her u should be able to loot his head so you can turn it into your race leader and it should hang in the throne room as a warning to all that dare bring the scourge upon us again
By Thrall'sLeave on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:03 am
@ Staffan
It was the undead who made him go mad… he did it because he was corrupted by ambition or however you spell it naturally his ambition was to cleanse the undead and ultimately save his people. What is 100 people (from Warcraft3) compared to a kingdom falling. He lost humanity when the undead corrupted him telling him things and ultimately 3rd partying arthas into getting Frostmourne. We support Arthas not Ner’zhul+ according to the Naaru in a quest in Icecrown the light never forsakes its followers. Arthas was a devout palladin with a love life and a sworn enemy in Kael’thas the elven prince. It can’t end in the Ashbringer finishing all. Or even Jaina or Sylvanas that wouldnt make for a good story.
By Tyranno of Medivh on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:22 am
The whole raid group enters the citadel, and instead of fighting, we all sit down to eat Italian. Waiters come by and put out the pasta, the capicol and pour some red wine. We’re looking around the place and we can see Arthas sitting at another table. He looks at us, sips the wine, some of his death knights are outside parking their dreadsteeds. Then some song by Journey comes on and the whole screen goes black.
By Lol-monkey on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:25 am
From what I would like to see
As the LK gets his hp kicked down to the bottom the Knights of former silver hand storms in and helps us kick his butt
but… thats just me
By amidaman on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:54 am
its not the undead that drove arthas to do the things he did, but Arthas injured his horse Invincible during a ride in the snow and he had to put down his horse, this made him go emo
By Boboski on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 7:31 am
I don’t think arthas will die. Although i think The Lich King will die somehow by maby being stabbed by Frostmourne.
By Grushnarok on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I really would like to note one thing about people saying that Arthas is going to get redeemed. Personally I think that Arthas is too far in the darkness to be redeemed and I think that Ner’zhul’s spirit should be redeemed because before Ner’zhul was put into that blasted armor he saw the bad ways of orcs when Kil’jaeden made them betray the elements and so Ner’zhul was forced into this meaning that his spirit is still good ,but since Arthas while being completely evil took over of Ner’zhul and he couldn’t do jack shit about anything.
As for Arthas death I’d say that he should fall from the Ashbringer bucause it was created to counter Frostmourne which will probably result in the shattering of Frostmourne and as for it’s special purpose I think some villian in Cataclysm is going to find some of the shards of Frostmourne and do something with it
By Andonur on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 8:15 am
@ amidaman
Haha fucking hilarious.
By Elsey on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 8:18 am
id love to see dalaran do something apart from sit on there buts and kill mecno gnomes or blue dragons all day the whole point they came to northrend was to destroy the scouge and they dont do much of that
ps sorry if i it is a double post 1st one dident show up
By Malduk on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 8:37 am
i dont like the hole ide that arthas most die.
Im a Illidan fan and i belied Illidan in my eyes were a big guy , that gave mut’s to the story , and i among many became sad we i die , he wose a really cool char, so why Blizzard did u have to kill Illidan of , why ?
so go ahead and be like “hey we love arthas more we let him live ” stile , i dont like it at all , but hey im not the one how creates the game, im just think is bad to kill of all cool char weird good backstory that all
By Josh on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I think it would be cool to see Arthas brought down at the end by the spirits of those closest to him. As the Lich King hits zero hp he falls to one knee. At which point the spirits of Terenes, Uther, Mauradin, and heck let’s even through in Antonidas appear and lay a mental and spiritual assault on the Lich King that is the finishing blow. I think the idea of Sylvanas or Jaina are good ideas too, but I think Jaina wouldn’t be able to finish off Arthas in the hopes of his redemption. Sylvanas could, but I feel will get cheated of her final revenge against her one time master and tormentor.
Blizzard you better not screw this up. This is one of those WoW moments that needs to be huge and unforgettable regardless of how it plays out.
By Thrall'sLeave on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 9:04 am
If you noice in the first official World of Warcraft.com thing on 3.3 it makes sure to tell you why Jaina is there: To find Arthas’ humanity. Parts of it are still there. Admitedly they screwed up way to many things with Illidan including the release date on his raid( a little to early for some people). Arthas should not be anything close to a fail. He has so much effort that they have almost all his childhood in lore.
By Malduk on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 9:15 am
but if have read the war of the ancient , Illidan if in there and they talk allot about him and Malfurion , he has alot of lore on him , and Blizzard just deicide that , yeah let 40ish random heros go in and kill him, this is the guy how closet portals on outland slayed Tichondrius , any almost melted the Icecrown.
By Skeels on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I’ve been thinking, and I think that because the world (of warcraft) is so unfair, he’ll regain his lost sanity at 1% while the raid is frozen/whatever - something happens and he wtfpwns Ner’Zhul somehow. I dunno, he’s Arthas, he’ll think of *something!* Almost all the faction leaders show up arriving with jetpacks or whatever, Sylvanas ain’t there yet as she’s a nature gal and prefers to walk, taking longer time than everyone else. The now sane Arthas makes a speech about how terribly sorry he is, and how he’ll pay for his sins. Then Sylvanas pops outta nowhere and fires twenty-seven arrows into his left eye.
Okay, maybe not just like that, but so that you’ll get the feeling that he shouldnt’ve died. Of course, Jaina will go massive emo and stop holding Varian back - Maybe that’s the cause of the all out war we’ve been hearing so much about?
By lawman30 on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Sylvanas. Hands down. I can’t imagine a scenario in which he dies, other than by her hand, that I’m satisfired with.
Please Blizz, let it be her.
By LolConnor on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Um, someone said something about Sylvanas sending in Forsaken at Wrathgate? It was Grand Apothecary Putriss. Not Sylvanas. Not sure if Varimanthas had anything to do with it
By maradorn on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Sorry to be off topic a little but but this used to be my favorite site when content was fresh and new everyday (other than the blogs). you guys are now showing older videos (this kara video is a year old) profession guilds are very outdated as well as your class information. is this site dying? is there gonna be more fresh content? or am i wasting time coming to this site? I hope you guys have fresh content comming there are tons of things what you guys could cover ulduar toc 5 toc 10 and 25 updating hte profession pages to be up to date. Lets get project lore where it should be a great site for wow fans
By Staffan on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 11:05 am
@Thrall’sLeave: The Scourge may have pushed Arthas around a bit, but he still made all those choices of his own free will - most notably, the choice to take up Frostmourne, no matter the consequences. That’s like saying someone on drugs isn’t liable for their own actions because their judgment was impaired - they were the ones who chose to take the drugs, knowing that it would impair them. Similarly, Arthas willingly took up Frostmourne, willing to pay any price for doing so.
@Elsey: Dalaran didn’t move to Northrend in order to fight the Scourge. Their purpose there is to stop Malygos and the Blue Dragonflight from messing up all the leylines of Azeroth. I can’t recall any Kirin Tor-based quest that’s Scourge-oriented, but plenty that are dragon-oriented.
By Alayea on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Regarding the Cataclysm trailer from Blizzcon 2009: It only does the “war continues against the Lich King” bit because while Blizzard wanted to give some juicy details about the next expansion, they didn’t want people to forget that we’ve still got Icecrown Citadel to deal with.
By Carsondapwner on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I want him to die and restore everything when he does I WILL KILL YOU HEAR ME ARTHAS I WILL KILL YOU!
By Lawkes on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I would actually like him to be purified and brought back to the light and all that jazz, not die.
By Daemonbane on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
i actually heard that we wern’t going to kill the Lich King, but he would be “defeated” like Kil’Jaeden. I’m not sure if this is true but I heard Blizzard say a while ago that they felt they made a huge mistake killing Illidan, and didn’t want to make the same mistake. So sorry if I put down your hopes, but that’s something to worry about. And it would make a lot more sense with Goblin and Worgen “Death knights”.
By Kyndranigar on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Since Saurfang and Muradin are on the airships going up to the top of ICC and they have a fight between the two of them, you won’t have either in Arthas’ chambers (as depending on your faction, Saurfang/Muradin dies)
I can see Tirion/Mograine wounding Arthas, but neither should get the final blow (and fraknly, I think Tirion’s gone a bit insane, listen to his dialogue during all the Argent Tournament stuff both 5-man and especially the Raid.)
It sould be Jaina and/or Sylvanis (If they keep with the idea of phases based on Faction it will be ‘or’, otherwise I see a collaborative effort. Jaina using her frost magic to bind, Sylvanis firing fatal arrows)
Arthas should definately use his ‘ARMAGEDDON!’ move to incapacitate/wipe the raid for a cutscene of his fall.
By shnoo on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Thrall, Sylvanas, Vol’jin, Cairne, Garrosh, Saurfang walk in with the players as they confront Arthas, at 90% Arthas summons undead minions, this is when a horde gunship blasts a hole in Icecrown Citadel, and drops in horde soldiers, at 75% Tirion and the Argent Crusade arrive in their shiniez and start to beat on the stronger and much larger wave of undead soldiers, at 50% Darion Mograine and the Knights of the ebon blade arrive, as they enter Arthas summons a MASSIVE army of just plain skeletons (massive army tho k) that slaughters every Crusade, Horde, and Ebon blade soldier (Aside from leaders) 40% Arthas does something that injures all the heroes of the Horde leaving only Darion and Tirion, the latter was stuned by the attack and is slain by Arthas, seeing Tirion fall, Darion grabs the Ashbringer and becomes human again, the bright light blinding Arthas, however, this great change causes darion to collapse and drop the Ashbringer, ending the effect, however, at 20% Saurfang jumps up and goes RAWRRRRRRRRRZAWWWR and slices through Arthas’ breastplate in one might cleave, as Arthas focuses on Saurfang you see Sylvanas among the Rafters, at 1% Arthas casts his apocalypse spell, throwing all players against the wall and taking them to 1hp, as arthas turns to escape Sylvanas leaps from her hiding place fires an arrow from her bow catches the arrow in mid fckin air and stabs it through arthas’ throat… that is the only way that fight can end, if it doesnt end that way, i never doing IC, at least not killing Arthas
By Staffan on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
@Daemonbane: As I recall, the mistake Blizzard felt they made with Illidan was not so much that he was killable. The problem was that he was killable as early as patch 2.1, only about 4 months after Burning Crusade was released (well, plus the time it would take to attune and stuff). That left the game at a bit of a loss afterward: Patch 2.2 didn’t really add anything to the world (built-in voice chat was the main thing), 2.3 was mainly Zul’Aman, which was more of a side venture (the loot was inferior to Black Temple, for example), so it wasn’t until 2.4 that new actual progression was added with the Sunwell stuff, 10 months after Black Temple.
By comparison, Wrath has seen new stuff added with every major patch: Ulduar in 3.1, Coliseum in 3.2 (though I believe most of the coding effort went toward Isle of Conquest), and in 3.3 we’re getting Icecrown. Then I suppose we settle in and wait for Cataclysm some time in spring.
By Jinasou on Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
It would be cool to fight Arthas and then you knock Ner’zhul from his body. Then you fight Ner’Zhul. A Death Knight-ish Boss, just with Shaman like attacks instead of the Paladin like ones.
By Layz on Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 3:35 am
How about something truly memorable. For example a scene where there is the liche king with a few of his champions left surrounded by the entirety off the argent crusade/ebon blade, alliance and horde and you (the chosen heroes of your factions) and the faction leaders have it out with the liche king and his last few mighty warriors to the death. For kicks you could probably get the nathreziem involved too. They would probably like to take a shot at arthas too. Alternatively of course the boss of cataclysm could make an appearance and the end of the scourge is actually the start of a whole new war.
By Ultimatealex on Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 5:02 am
have you thought that they will make Lich King IMPOSIBLE to kill and he will stay in that instance forever? ^_^
By Mutax on Wednesday, October 7th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I think that he is going to die by a goblin sitting on a rocket
By Azurienatei on Thursday, October 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I’ve actually come up with another way. What if in the conflict, somehow, Jaina (as it is likely the Alliance and Horde will all be there, regardless of which faction is in the instance) uses herself to protect one of the leaders (Thrall for example? Whoever steps forth to engage a beaten down Arthas?) and in the process is either injured or even killed. In seeing the one person who he never thought he’d see again dying, Arthas (the human within) could fight through the Lich King, throw his helm from his head, and offer to the Light his own life for hers. Then, after destroying Frostmourn himself, he takes up a holy sword (Ashbringer? Quel-dalar?) and stabs himself, thus freeing and redeeming his own soul, and making the Light (possibly the Naaru? Since they did take up that one paladin during that quest chain in Northrend) would resurrect Jaina (or heal her if she’s just mortally wounded). Then, after a lot of talking, maybe a cinamatic, we finally get the end of the freakin struggle.
By convikt (my charceter) on Thursday, October 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
personally i think that there are 2 people that could kill arthas aka the lich king.
and those 2 people are, tirion fordering (sp?) and jaina. Jiana is such a big role in the whole story of this and tirion really wants to beat this shit out of this guy.
But there is also morgrain who swore at the end of the death knight starting area that he would kill arthas, so that could be possible.
If you people are up for it i think that a combined force of tirion, mograin, and jaina will acompany us in the struggle to kill him, like the illidain fight but WAY more epic.
there you go and live with it.
By Carlos aka Kershocker on Thursday, October 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
“Take that a step further - what if, by chance, Arthas knew that taking up the Frostmourne would eventually kill the Lich King by giving him a human form, and he was willing to lose himself in the process? Would the end justify the means?”
~ Posted by Pixiestixy in: http://projectlore.com/blog/is-arthas-capable-of-redemption/
By Darashar on Friday, October 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
The raid freezes at 1%….The Ner’Zhul part of the Lich King says “What’s that smell?” and then arthas takes a gun and shoots himself in the head. Ner’Zhul dies and Arthas survives…
Fight Club reference for people who suck and never saw it
By caza on Friday, October 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
epic fight scene of jaina, mograin, garrosh, varian, tirion, and sylvanas owning arthas would be ftw \\m//
By Keahi on Saturday, October 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
The end of the Arthas book is pretty clear on the fact that redemption is not an option for his thing.
I call it a “thing” because Arthas is NOT hiding in there somewhere. Neither is whatever remains of the original Ner’zhul. The two ceased to exist when Arthas donned the Lich King’s armor.
We’re going to have to kill this thing.
His death by Jaina’s hand lends a definite Romeo & Juliet quality to the story; but, his death by Sylvanas’ hand in an act of righteous retribution is, by all means, on par with death from a lover’s hand.
Either way, I’m not going to being crying when I loot his battered corpse.
By Sarrior on Sunday, October 11th, 2009 at 12:44 am
I think Arthas (the good one) is going to kill himself and ner’zhul at the same time with the use of frostmourn (after all the sword takes souls, then it’s the only weapon that could destroy the lich king)
By stesla on Tuesday, October 13th, 2009 at 12:33 am
At blizcon*i think* they said that arthas will die and he will have a great death video..being aliiance im hopeing for a icebolt to the faace from jania/horde would be an arrow for slyvanas.but perhaps we can save all the souls of the people arthas has killed with the frost mourne?* question…after the litchking dies the undead and deathknights will die again..so..what ..happens..to.me?…uh oh
By Zomgimamage on Wednesday, October 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am
I would like to state. That it isn’t all arthas’s fault…. Its the lich king inside of him that is forcing all the wrong doing. Therefore my prediction is When we do defeat arthas… aka the lich king, Arthas will be cleansed back to normal and snap out of it. but die when the lich king leaves his soul and the lich king will live on.
By iThink on Friday, October 23rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Arthas will be about to go down, smitten by Varian Wynn …
when suddenly Sylvanas saves him …
because she secretly always loved him of course ….
when she gets struck down by Kael’Thalas
because he always loved her of course
when Jaina strikes down Kael’Thalas
just for the heck of it
who Thrall takes down, cuz she always annoyed him …
No , who knows, Blizzard will probably draw it out or he die in some elaborate way no one’d ever conceive of …
By Wahtthehell? on Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Are you retarded? did you even read the book? *struck by an ice bolt* wtf kind of statement is that? i dont think i need to explain if u really actually read the book…
By Wahtthehell? on Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 12:17 am
And for the other retarded people that never read the book, nerzhul is gone remember? its just arthas, and Arthas only. no humanity, or old shaman guy, just him.
By Wahtthehell? on Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 12:27 am
And Jaina aint that strong people. Maybe powerful, but not THAT powerful. Rhonin is way stronger than her…
By Arthasbehuman on Sunday, November 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Ok well I think Jaina will team with Sylvanas and restore Arthas to his Human state.
Then in the next expantion some one else should take over the lich kings throne.
then Arthas restores Sylvanas and they kill the dragon in the next expansion.
Lame?
I know.
By Janus on Saturday, November 28th, 2009 at 2:28 am
it would be cool if arthas reaches 1 hp he freezes or stuns the raid. then Tirion tries to attack but fails and as hes dying he gives Darion the ashbringer. Darion gets mad and goes super sayian and stabs arthas with the ashbringer. then takes the Frostmourne and stabs him with that. and all the souls from the Frostmourne are released and wtfpwn him. he dies and there is nothing left but his armor and both swords stick into the ground where you loot. Darion gives a long speech. then there is a cinematic about Tirions funeral and everyone is sad and later celebrates the end of the scourge.
until deathwing destroys everything
but imo its a good ending (sorry Tirion, Darion pwns you had to go)
By Poxxy on Saturday, December 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
At 1% health, Chuck Norris flys down from the heavens and roundhouse kicks Arthas, forcing apart the good and the bad, and then procedes to eat the bad whole. The good part with then go and make babies with Jaina. The end.
By Pandemicus on Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I think WE should be able to kill Arthas. After everything our characters have been through this expansion I think “the raid” should put him down.