Posted by iTZKooPA on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 - 68 Comments
Tags: add-ons, Addons, blizzard policy, carbonite, eula, mods, outfitter, questhelper, rights, strike, tos
Last Friday Blizzard put the kibosh on charging for any and all World of Warcraft add-ons. In an update to their World of Warcraft UI Add-On Development Policy, the company’s lawyers added three points to tackle monetary gain by LUA creators. To sum up the associated points, developers can no longer charge for their add-ons, or premium content. Nor can they ask for donations or display advertisements inside the game client. The Add-On creators can still make ends meet through donations and ads via their website, but that may not cut it.
It took a few days, but the weight of the changes have begun trickling down to us end users. According to Zorba, “Questhelper’s dead.“ The author’s decision to end QH’s run after upcoming v1.0 is not due to Blizzard’s addition of some of its functionality, but because donations via the webpage do not compare to the in-game nag. Outfitter has also been killed by the change. Blizzard is creating its own equipment manager to support its Dual Spec feature, so that won’t hurt much.
It appears that there are three key things Blizzard had an issue with:
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Blizzard doesn’t want other people making money directly off their work.
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Blizzard is trying to stop end users from getting harassed by advertisements, pop-ups and donations.
- Authors have few - and easily adjustable - rights because without WoW, their creations are worthless.
The last point, is probably the most troublesome. QuestHelper has been downloaded millions of times. If even a fraction of those people use the mod, that means Zorba is providing a service to more people than most MMORPGs can count as subscribers. With such a huge base, shouldn’t an author have some rights? I am going to put my neck on the chopping block and say that they do, just not as much freedom as they previously did.
Since day one Blizzard has been playing with the add-on community. During the Molten Core days, add-ons were used as automated decursing utilities, and macros were far more powerful than they are now. Blizzard nerfed both because they felt that gameplay was being compromised, and as unfortunate as it is for the authors, that is what they did here. Blizzard saw add-ons like Carbonite - the mod that reportedly kicked this off - adversely affecting a users experience due to the ads. And if it wasn’t the ad-based flavor, then they directly made money off Blizzard.
Blizzard has laid down the law and there is little we can do to stop them. Striking is a possibility, but could easily backfire on many authors by driving users to mods that serve the same purpose. A general strike would be required, and I just can’t see that happening. The changes and incoming losses are just something that we will have to live with. These hardworking Add-On developers do deserve our money, but they are going to have to come up with more creative ways to shake it out of us. Although I believe I could easily live without any of my mods, I have and will continue to support the more complex ones (Auctioneer is the love of my life).
Unfortunately, I don’t have a golden suggestion for the developers to keep the green coming. That being said, one way to guarantee more revenue for your work would be to host your own website, and attempt to create a community for the creations. This will drive traffic directly to you, your advertisers and your donation button, rather than allowing sites like Curse or ZAM to reap those benefits.
As personal as it may seem, Blizzard has removed an important part of your freedom, not your rights. You can still pour your heart and soul into the add-on. You can still make a living off it, you just have to do it by their new rules. It won’t be easy, but don’t be like the RIAA and demand that the old standard remain in place through hell or high-water. Come up with creative ways to draw income and attention to your creations. Give those casual users yet another reason to feel guilty about ignoring the donation button. Please, don’t just throw your hands in the air and give up. You owe it to yourself, your contributors and the add-on to at least try some new techniques before walking away.
We will likely see more big name add-ons shutting down in the short term, so be prepared. Which mods could you not live without? I could manage to live without all of them, but my Auction House days would be far less profitable without my beloved Auctioneer.
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By Christian on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Yeah, I believe QH is to large to shut down.
And if Auctioneer is going away, then I’m gonna die!
By Dre' on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
No QH that would suck
By Holydos on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Wow, that’s such bullshit.
By anthony on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
i hope they do shut down auctioneer because that cut 10% button or what ever it does kills the market..just stop being lazy and price things your self instead of letting wows market look like the the real world market.
By oaky on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
umm Screw quest helper it sux anyway get Carbonite its 10x better its free and it does everything Taht QH does and more!
By Holydos on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Auctioneer is the only one I hate. >.>;
By Holydos on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Carbonite, you have to pay for that too. LOL
By Tehdead on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
lol @ anthony
The WoW market is the same as the RL market. Without an average price value how are you going to know what its actually worth? Thats what Auctioneers purpose is to give players the base line price of an item on there server.
And its only the ignorant that are undercutting, they just want the quick buck and have now interest in preserving pricing.
By Zerbet on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
“make ends meat”? Did you really just say that?
Hahahahhahahhahhahhaa *snort*
By tess on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
“Add-On creators can still make ends “meat” through donations and ads via their website.”
I love meat. facepalm X(
By Armateh on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
This fails. The addon developers make money off of Blizzard’s game but Blizzard lose nothing out of it.
Just selfish.
By Hoole on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
This is a bad idea by Blizz, so many people if there adds go will be pissed off and leave i think.
By Holydos on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I was doing okay w/o Add-ons. >.>;
By Percolatte on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Auctioneer is the worst thing that ever happened.
By iTZKooPA on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I blame grammar check!
By Alphadoom on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
if alot of the addons go away i will probley not play as much as i do now.
By tess on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
lol
By Danzel on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
@ Holydos.
You do not have to pay for Carbonite. you can either download the free version, or choose to pay a hell of lot to get a few more things, that you can get from other addons. so no, you do not have to pay for Carbonite.
People who cannot live without such as Auctioneer, need to get real. I have absolutly no use for that one, and I still make tons of gold everyday.
By WNxManiacMan on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
If auctioneer and Questhelper isn’t allowed anymore I will probably not play at all. Shame on you Bliz.
By kiley on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Personally, in my own RL experience with businesses and product producers this is what i predict happening: When things like this happen to those producing a product-yes, many will throw their hands in the air and toss in the white towel. Others will see opportunity and refresh their product and still do just as good as they were before (in most cases better) and finally what almost always happens is that this new change opens up a HUGE window for newcomers trying to get their product into the market. Life throws lemons at ya and the ones that don’t see the new situation as an opportunity will die with the tide. And for those of us who are avid add-on users (myself included) it’s time to take a look at which mod’s we’d like to support. (As users we often decide who stays a float and who sinks- remember that)
By Sno on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Dominos Grid and Clique still up idc i use lightheaded instead of quest helper anyway
By anthony on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Tehdead : first off i wasn’t comparing wows market to the rl market artard..learn to read before opening your mouth and looking like a moron..
By thedpsking on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I’d pretty much stop leveling alts if QH dies, I honestly cannot level effectively without it. I used to use auctioneer, but I found it to be more of a memory hog than anything else. Also, if DoTimer dies, I think I could never be affliction again :(.
(By the way, I love reading the blogs on project lore, but sometimes I wish you guys could write about topics I haven’t already read on wowinsider).
By PatrickD on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I use zero add ons.
By Crazytree on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I have never used a quest add on, learn to read and the quest will be easy enough.
By james on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
NOOOOO FUCK IM GUNNA QUIT WOW IF THEY TAKE OUT QH NO FUCKING JK IT TOOK ME 3 MONTHS TO GET TO 30 WITHOUT QH IN THE LAST TOO MONTHS WITH QH I GOT TO 74
-ASSTRE REALM DUROTAN
By Deathmoon on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
geez just do the old school thing and make addons your self with the /macro, all of them are based on that, ofc things like QH and some others are more complex but they are useless anyway, will just have to find a way to make addons our self like the old days or play without them, for me this new rules are cool it will bring more challange to the game like it was in the good old days.
By Krowtz on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Yeah I wouldn’t have been able to remain sane while leveling without questhelper and I would be extremely ill prepared for raids without Deadly Boss Mods. I don’t mind if they ask for donations when I sign in! I also use omen and recount but don’t depend on them. Hopefully the new rules for addons won’t be so strict as to piss off their casual users.
By Eugen on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Damn …. loosing auctioneer would be really nasty … it would collapse maybe half the servers economy, prices will go through the roof or sink to the bottom of the ocean … total chaos will be installed…. I think blizz is trying to put even Azeroth in an economic crisis
On a side note yes some addons will be regretably missed but the community will get through it…as it always has 
By Laeltis on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I probably could live without all of them also. I only use QH for alts mostly, and to quest on my main quickly for the money, but meh… back to the beginning fun
Other than that.. Omen w/o will make raiding harder. Recount barely is accurate for me right now anyways. Grid will make healing difficult, not to mention the nerf on the mana regen.
The rest of my addons are for estetics and random reasons ._.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Really sucks that they’re getting more strict.
By Jaceman on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
a few addons they should not take out: Omen,QH,Auctioneer,DBM,recount,x-perl,titanpanels, and many others.
By Taskun on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I admit, I am a fan of Auctioneer, Omen, QH, ext. But I really didn’t even find out about addons until my third year of WoW, MY THIRD YEAR, lately all I use is Omen and QH if I feel really lazy on my alts (I like figuring it out) odds are a few high-community addons will take over. GL to you all!
By Kalcifer on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Surely the answer to the problem will just be solved by another addon maker. If someone sees that Quest helper is stopping then maybe someone will just say, “oh i”ll make that for free”. Anyway as much as i love Questhelper i can live without it. It’s buggy and crashes my game, even the newest version. Plus blizzard are adding the parts of the stuff that Quest helper does into the new patch.
I would have a problem tho without grid. i think that would make the healer shortage even worse than it is.
By Nehor on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Auctionator, Omen, X-Pearl, DBM, Pali Power, Decursive, and Atlas Loot are the only addons I use. The only ones I could not live with out is Omen and X-pearl. Everything else is icing on the cake. Addons are a service, but something to recognize is that you are making money off of someone else’s game enviorment. Until the laws change so one could “advertise” and offer “services” like we do in RL this progression makes sense to me.
I wonder how this might effect curse.com. any thoughts on that from anyone? Great topic.
By Ivan on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
God DAMN without QuestHelper my life will become a real nightmare!! Blizzard what have you done?? NOOOOOOO!
By Felaryn on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
The internet and /macro are the only addons I use, the only addons I ever used, and the only addons I ever will use. I made it to kingpin of the deviate fish market on my server without auctioneer, I’ve leveled easily without quest helper, and I don’t see the point of taking away from the game’s experience. For me, the fun of the game is the time spent in the game. Whether it’s changing hotkeys so you can make your reactions as fast as possible, finding the Tauren village at the southwest corner of the world after hearing so much about it, or combing the Barrens until you finally find Mankrik’s wife (sorry if I spelled that wrong), the game is incredibly fun. Having your hand held and being told what to do every second just takes away from the experience, especially when they just do things the game does already, like the threat meter that my friends think is pathetic just because they never tried it. I have more fun in the game than any of my friends who use addons do, and I know a lot more about the history of it because of the time I take to read quest text. I’m sorry that was so long, but I don’t like people saying the game isn’t fun without addons *looks up at james’s post*. Well, that was my rant. Have fun playing the game the way it was meant to be played
–Felaryn
P.S. To anyone from Project Lore reading this, I think it would be really fun if you did a “special” episode where you tried to do an instance without addons. I’m guessing that by the first boss, you’ll be doing just as well as if you had addons up.
By Illithian on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Addons I couldn’t live without:
Bartender
Xperl
Lightheaded
Tomtom
Cartographer
By Jeff on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I’ve never paid ANYTHING to use an add-on - I just use a few to enhance the information I get from the game.
If Blizzard had access to any kind of useage stats., surely they would implement their own, similar functionality, as seems to be the case with a few of the patch updates, recently.
By Jeff on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
**additional**
If there was a way to centralise the discussion of code between authors, then more of the add-ons available might actually WORK together - too many have looked useful, but have ended up conflicting with bigger, more useful ‘pieces of code’, so have ended up being canned…
By dante484 on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
i just hope that QH is not shut down
i start using it at lvl 28 and if think its the best addon ever
and i find it so hard to lvl went did not have it
By churchill on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I myself tried questhelper once but (like feralyn expertly explained) i hated being told what to do. I dont care if its more efficient to do 230 thousand kill quests, i want to finish the awesome chain and jump off a cliff into what i thought was deep water because its fun. The only add-on that i would deem sensible is omen because it is helpful without simplifying anything. recount could also be justified among the DPS’ers because they want to compare efficiency.
By saywhaat!? on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
well about QH, i heard awhile back (and idk if its still true or anyhting) but i heard Blizzard was gonna make there own adaption of a QH, like they did to with the threat meter.
but idk that was awhile ago XD
By Lindyen on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
No more quest helper???????? wtb replacement… pretty please???? this probably means I will no longer be leveling any alts…. and as I dont enjoy my death knight any more(80) I may be quiting the game….. this is BS
By Sean on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Way to kill the AddOn community, Carbonite. (Y)
By Drem on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Just great, without my Zygor’s Guide, I have little reason to play. I suck at raids and anything involving an instance so without the guide to get my alts up to a decent level… My main bores me unless there’s new content. Guess I’ll take a long break. Ah, Auctioneer, I knew thee well…
By Slyfanitor on Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Well like I’ve said before I don’t have any addons, so this change does absolutely nothing to me
By Littleraven on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 12:01 am
is it just me or am i the only person who actually doesnt care much? i didnt use addons until well into BC..i mean some of them really are very useful but WoW wouldnt stop if they just suddenly went away…it would definitly take some getting used to though…
and also am i the only person who levels from 1 to 80 without quest helper? And i got loremaster without it =P
By Slarty on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Same here Littleraven, don’t give a crap about this change at all. I actually feel sorry for people who MUST HAVE addons and rely on them to play. Get some skill people. And don’t go yelling at Blizzard, if you made a product, and someone else is making money off of your product that depends on that product to work, you would want a cut too, don’t lie.
By Dan S on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Only stuff I use is SliceCommander and Hear Kitty for rogues, and when im leveling my shammy carb, quest. I really don’t mind addons, I used to have a whole big Ui pack so yeah :P!
By Aadjed on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 1:06 am
I’m guessing that 80% of the ppl qq’ing here, are the same ppl that were qq’ing 5 blogs ago that the game has gotten so easy. Maybe if you loose all the add-ons, you will stop complaining how easy the game, because you have to figure everything out by yourself again. Personally i refuse to use add-ons even after the rants in guild chat. As stated by Feralyn internet, together with friends, are my questhelpers.
By ranshire on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 7:38 am
it is amusing to me that there is so much crying about the loss of mods. i just yeasterday installed wrath, and in the wait for internet to be installed at the house, thought i would check out the long list of raiding mods id need to download. i am relieved that they will be fading and now instead of what mods do you have, it’ll be ‘how good are you really?’ mods saved alot of time, but those dependent on them should rethink the aurgument. youre not mad about the oss of the mod. youre mad at the loss of time. to that i say ‘fair enough’ so as an aid to the lazy, borders books has a book on creating mods for WoW… or donate a buck or two ta the person that wrote youre mod for you. take responsibility for yourself and become a better gamer, or learn something new and code your own… either way, you’ll be a better person for it.
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By Mac on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Blizzard can control addons just as Apple does with the iPhone. Create a DL client, list approved free addons, and those that are chargeable, Blizz gets a percentage of the profits. Common goal for both the addon authors and Blizz, they get to make money where there is an opportunity to. Seems to work well with Apple, didn’t they just report over 800 million application DL’s just recently?
By Tehdead on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Quote:
“wows market look like the the real world market.”
“look like” is a context clue to compare something before and after.
Which should really be “looks like” for proper grammer.
“The bear’s spotted back makes it look like a cow.”
The clues here tell us the bear looks similar to a cow because of his spotted back.
“Anthony looks like an idiot for bragging about is knowledge in the english language, because his is actually quite ignorant of it.”
By Eventime on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I really don’t care if addons die out or not, especially things like auctioneer or questhelper. Honestly go to a site like thottbot and look up what you wanna sell, or look up that quest that’s giving you problems. If you look at the quest text, that alone should be enough to figure out 90% of the quests. I got an 80 boe epic sword that I wanted to put in the AH. Looked up the avg buyout on thottbot, put it up for auction, and it sold in about a day and I was about 3000g richer. So there’s proof you don’t need an addon to make all the decisions for you
By Dajosh on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I use addons such as QH and Grid for my character, and i can fully understand why Blizzard want to stop these from being used. Blizzard are trying to stop the game from becoming easier than it already is (sorta). QH is basically telling you where to go for your quests and really takes the fun out of hunting an area for a specific mob. Grid and QH i could and will live without as it makes the game too easy, but i only use it because its been made avablible, but i won’t quit WoW just cause Blizzard is shutting down Addons.
By Angel on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“That being said, one way to guarantee more revenue for your work would be to host your own website, and attempt to create a community for the creations. This will drive traffic directly to you, your advertisers and your donation button, rather than allowing sites like Curse or ZAM to reap those benefits.”
Or cause you to have a monthly bill as you have to pay for hosting and a yearly bill in a domain name.
By Alayea on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Using QuestHelper does not automatically make the user a dunderhead. Myself, I use it while leveling my alts because it saves me time (which is a very valuable commodity). Now sure, I can live without QH since I didn’t even start using it until way after patch 2.4 (and I’d been playing since 1.5-ish), but don’t you be accusing me of QQ-ing because I want to keep it.
By Felaryn on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Looking back, I think we might be getting the wrong idea. I’m not sure if I’m seeing things correctly, but it seems like Blizzard isn’t actually taking addons away. They’re just changing the rules, and if I know anything about people, it’s that they can easily adapt to new rules in the playing field. I imagine most addons will stay in, just take out the ads and other things Blizzard doesn’t like. If an addon does shut down, it’s because the people who make it don’t care enough to change it, which means nine times out of ten it won’t be any good.
I still want Blizz to bring the addons out, or at least find a way to majorly cut them down. I like that blizz is putting more and more elements from mods into the game, because this means that addons are just becoming memory dumps. As ranshire stated, this is bringing focus in the game back to “How good are you?” instead of “What mods do you have?” Here’s hoping that one day the purists like me will be considered equal instead of looked down on for being “noobs” when what we’re essentially doing is challenging ourselves to get the most out of the game, or trying to find out more about the history of it (I think the “Well Read” achievement was meant to educate us, not just have us rush from place to place right clicking books without reading them). Give me a history of Neltharion’s corruption, and THEN you can say I’m a noob, but until then don’t judge me on how I play. Ok, that tangent’s done, let’s go back to the discussion at hand (sorry for my rambling). Why see us as lesser beings because we pay more attention to the fight than to the wall of UI in front of it. The way some people’s interfaces are set up, Blizz might as well have made it a text based game and not wasted time on graphics that people don’t bother looking at. Also, just because people like me don’t use addons doesn’t mean we can’t play. Just from the internet, I’ve memorized the strategies to fights I’ve never even seen before. My friend was only half joking when he said I could successfully lead a PuG into the Ruins OR the Temple of Ahn’Qiraj and get through easily. I may be rambling again, but my point is that we’re not any worse than anyone else. At least not because of mods, although there are other factors to take into consideration.
–Felaryn
Wow, I really don’t know how to do a short post. Thanks so much to anyone who actually bothered to read all of that.
By Felaryn on Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
That was probably saying too much, especially combined with the post I put up earlier. Sorry about that…
By Sardit on Thursday, March 26th, 2009 at 8:56 am
As long as there’s not a click to cast functionality and a decent raid frame interface blizzard has no right to start changing stuff in the game.
Try and heal sometime with the raid interface blizzard suplies and using only macro’s and keybinds. Your usuability drops by around 50%. I know this for a fact as one of our guild healer was using no addons at all. Without a change in gear but simply my suggested addons + config he doubled his total healing and lowered his overhealing by around 10%.
That big a change simply because the players healthbars are in an overview. And he didn’t have to target + hit a cast button but rather just click a mousebutton once without even changing his focus. Thats to much to throw away. Blizzards party interface is horrendous to heal with, and the raid interface is even worse. Untill they at least show have something as fast and configurable as grid they should not go around and push mod / addons out of the game through new rules.
Sure that little nag that questhelper has is annoying but who really pays attention to it anyway? It only shows up when you log on, once. thats all.
Besides, putting donation buttons on your website won’t cut it. 90 % of the downloads are done via platforms like curse.com. The donations for addons would simply not make it to their developers unless someone took specific action for it. And ppl are to lazy to go search for it as current numbers show.
Not allowing your addon to be downloaded via these platforms greatly reduces its availability. Again simply because ppl are to lazy to go out of their way to find an addon.
By Zaga on Thursday, March 26th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I used to use QH but its very mermory consuming and found something more simple and i feel is better and less buggy than QH. The addon is called Mobmap give it a shot.
By Somebody. on Friday, March 27th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I got lv 34 in a couple months, no addons, but i waste a lot of my time putting together a twink.(Twink’s almost done :D) so basically, i could be lv 40+ if i spent all my time on my warlock, leveling it in 2 months of gameplay, no addons.
By Lane068 on Saturday, April 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
The only addons I actually care about is ArkInventory, because i hate the 5 different bags (and i don’t use it for bank or gbank), and my graphical ui. I just like the different layout. it doesn’t change the game, just makes it easier to use.
I tried Questhelper, and it is one of the buggiest mods ever. It crashed my game constantly, and I dumped it after a few days.
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